Category: the Rant Board
This is in no way to try to insult or contact or otherwise harm anyone.
I was banned last Monday night by somebody I have on ignore. Why? Because Randomizer picked the person's name and they said that was me trying to contact them. Not true at all. I have no control who Randomizer picks.
I went to the admins because: Banning because of a broken Randomizer isn't fair. And, because being banned by a person I have on ignore is unfair. I feel another CL should have been brought in to consult since this was obviously a personal attack on me.
To finish this, They fixed the randomizer halfway through my banning, but I remained banned the entire time and lost a million points somehow in the bargain!
I smell a rat and it isn't fair.
That is my side of it. Thanks for listening and I welcome your comments whether you agree with me or not.
Floppy
Agree with you 100% on that floppy. Don't even worry about the points, I got you. After they got the feature fixed, they should of unbanned you,that's my thing about it.
Yes it's fucked up, and in attempt to abide by my own policy "KISS: Keep it simple stupid", I won't say much else so I can keep my temper. Basically assholes are plentiful. :DDDDD
Sorry you had to go through all that. The person who got you banned is a true ass hole. They should have realized there is no control over the randomizer. But at least no one else will have to go through that now that the change has been made thanks to your experience.
BTW, if you need a million points, let me know in a PM, and I'll send them to you.
I'm so sorry that happened, Floppy. It was unjustifiable, and I would have fought for you, had I still been on staff. I know the fix in the randomizer occurred too late for this instance, but at least it won't happen again, to you or anyone else. I think most of the users who know the story of this are on your side of it. So all the ignored person did was make themselves look like an ass. No consolation maybe, but it's all I can say. Sorry I couldn't have helped you when that happened.
Thanks to all my supporters, and it is a comfort that nobody else will be victimized by the broken Randomizer. I, a paying member of this site, will not be using the randomizer(a feature I believe I pay for) because I am now afraid to trust it.
If your points are what you want back I'm sure they'll be returned to you. It is unfortunet, and I do feel for you, but on the bright side you are responsible for making a positive change. Humans make mistakes, but you are back now. I'm glad it all got worked out for you. I'd use it its safe. Once I had a situation that happened to me as well, so it happens.
Wow. Who banned you? They are obviously too stupid to be a CL or an admin. Also why anyone would pay any kind of money to this site is beyond me. Long gone are the days when it was even slightly worth it.
Hopefully everything is all sorted out now. I definitely think you're completely justified in the way you feel.
i don't know the entire story on this. so i'm not going to jump on the band wagon and point fingers!! but just because you have a cl on ignore don't mean he shouldn't be able to approach you and ban you! it's his or her job, like it or not. If everyone used your excuse he don't like me so i put him on ignore so he can't do anything to me, how the hell would anything be taken care of? I think the cl , thought they had a reason to ban you, even if they were wrong. I wouldn't see them just banning you for nothing and not letting you give your side of the story. at least I would hope so. How did the person even know the randomizer picked them, if you have them on ignore they don't see anything you say. did you put the cl on ignore after they talked or tried to talk to you about all this, or did you already have them on ignore? just curious.
I THINK BEING ABLE TO IGNORE A CL SHOULD BE DONE AWAY WITH!! MY OPINION ANYWAY
I love how people jump on the band wagon when there friends are banned and it's all wrong. there's always two sides to every story. I'm not saying either is right or wrong in this case. I don't know what went on. and i'm willing to bet most of you don't either! hehehe
What we're saying is that this CL's reason for banning her was totally unjustifiable. She's not just sitting there wining about being banned by a person who had her on ignore, that's not the issue here. This person banned her because she was using the randomizer and it brought up their name, so they used that as a convenient excuse to get rid of her on the grounds that she was trying to contact them when she was on their ignore list. It was clearly an attempt to pop her off real quick for any reason available because of personal feelings. Not being bitchy just correcting you.
Jessie
One small correction, I have this person on my ignore list, to my knowledge, they aren't ignoring me. If we do away with being able to ignore a CL, then there will be ones who use that to harass us when there is a personal beef.
Finally, I just want to say, I never said the banning should have not happened because the person was on my ignore list, they just should have had to bring in another CL who had no personal feelings involved to decide if the banning was fair.
Thanks Jesse, my wife, I love you.
Thanks to all the points doners and otherwise supportive people here. I am at least glad the randomizer has been fixed so it won't be used as a weapon against you too.
Agree with floppy, and we looooove you too!
Well, in any case, I'm glad you're back. I don't know the story behind this either, but it does sound rather fishy.
The "story" is right here for all to see.
I think it is very difficult for us to make judgment calls on something like this because in order to do so we need to be privy to all the information, including any private communications that took place between Floppy and the CL in question. I'm not asking for that you understand, just pointing it out to everyone that has contributed to this topic.
As a former community leader I can't count how many times users jumped on decisions that either myself, or other community leaders took, without being in possession of the full facts and told us how wrong we were. Certainly from the story you've told Floppy it does sound as though you were harshly treated, but without hearing the other side of the story I'm not willing to say definitively that you were right and the CL was wrong.
I would however second the call to not allow community leaders to be ignored. In spite of Floppy's protestations to the contrary they are the people that regulate the day to day running of the site and you shouldn't be able to ignore them just because they're telling you things that you don't want to hear. If you genuinely feel that they're abusing that power then it shouldn't be too difficult to track somebody else down to report your issues and produce the evidence necessary to prove your point. If you aren't a premium member and don't have access to quick note history, community leaders do still have access to that feature and if the communications are private rather than public, in extreme cases the admins can look into those complaints.
Dan.
First of all, there were no private communications between this CL and I that night or for a few months before hand. Second. Just because a person is a CL doesn't give them the right to push their opinions off on somebody who doesn't care to hear them. I would go so far to agree that a user shouldn't be able to ignore all CL's but if there is a personal beef with one and a user, the user should have that choice.
Further more, it seems as if the higher ups were admitting it wasn't my fault by fixing the randomizer after they received my complaint. Yet, I remained banned, it wasn't even a shortened sentence.
Third, I'm only saying that this CL had conflicting interests with me and should have had to call in another CL to hear both sides and that CL should have been the one to decide if the banning was unjust or would stand.
I don't want special treatment, I only want fair treatment. Anybody in my place would have been just as outraged.
Oh and it seems as if you, Harp, have inside information. Where might you have gotten that?
What gives you the impression that I have inside information? I certainly don't have any.
I can only speak as somebody who was formally a community leader. Which I did. I'm not sure what inside information you're referring too to be honest.
Dan.
I see you had no response to my other points? And I have no desire to get into the inside info, if you know, oh well, if not, forget it.
Why would I repeat myself just to appease your apparent need for some kind of pointless debate? I don't think users should be able to ignore community leaders, you do. I've given my reasons you've given yours. I'm sure my continuing the argument isn't going to change your mind and the same is true the other way.
As for me having inside information I have no idea where that came from but how can I possibly prove a negative. If it makes you happy to believe that the world is one big conspiracy against you then by all means feel that way. I've said that from everything I've heard it sounds to me as though the community leader in question was in the wrong but I have no power to do anything about that. I'm just a standard user like you. I'm sorry for you if that makes you feel better. But it won't change anything.
Dan.
*sighs* No, and it isn't a pointless debate if it leads to posative changes. I don't thinkCL's should have that kind of power. There has to be checks and balances to make it fair, that is all I'm saying.
The attempt at checks and balances is there, but, as in all things, it doesn't always work. I believe there are as many CL's as there are not only to maintain the site, but to try and balance each other out when decisions are made. But just like any system, it is an imperfect one. God knows I saw that when I was a CL, too. Sometimes it works, other times, it fails epicly. Floppy, I know in your case, it failed, and you already know how I feel about that. The only reason i'm writing this is to point out that the attempt at checks and balances is there, but even when other Cl's try to implement that balance, it does not always work.
I know Alicia and realize this to be true. I am actually a very mature person and any one who knows me well would agree. I am not whining just to whine, my banning is done now after all. My fear is what stupid reason will there be next time? I feel that the person is just waiting for something else to get away with. They got away with this after all.
Thanks for being fair in your opinions and statements Alicia, I appreciate that.
I don't know if they "got away with it" since this issue was brought to light pretty affectively and although no one knows this accept other community leaders, the particular community leader in discussion most likely felt the pressure of his actions.
I know that the CL did feel the pressure. Sorry if I don't feel any sympathy. No love lost here. Policy needs to be changed though. Ignored CL's should not be able to ban a user ignoring them. They should have to get at least one other CL involved.
It might not mean much, but my opinion is that he was fishing for a reason to ban ya and he got a bite. That shouldn't happen, especially when there happens to be personal problems between the 2 people. Then the superior person with the most ability to do some damage, in this case the CL, can do whatever they see fit to make their enemy a living hell, which is abuse of power. This is very minor and thank God it wasn't a huge issue with violation of someone's rights, but still it's a little fucked up.
Jessie
Thanks Jesse Babe,, my point exactly. I love you
I'll be the first to admit, CL's are not perfect, and I have seen it happen where one is just gunning to ban someone. I got accused of that once myself, but really, I wasn't. I tried my best not to fall into that trap. Believe me, there were times I wanted to ban someone, but knew I did not have just cause, so I left it alone. Other times, I wanted to ban a user, and felt I would have had caused to, but was over-ridden by others. I tried to be as impartial as possible, though I will admit that once given a valid reason, there were times I took some pleasure in pressing the big red button, so to speak. I did my best to be fair about it, though, as I think the majority of the current CL team does. It's unfortunately just not a perfect system.